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Monday, 1 October, 2007

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<arooni>	hey folks!	00:13:40
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<arooni>	when i put a really really long string in (about 4 lines in a full screen console).... i get the errror: (irb):3: syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting $end	00:14:10
<arooni>	any ideas on how to fix?	00:14:13
<EvanR>	does ruby regex have lookbehind... /(?<=a)/	00:14:34
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<arooni>	said string has a bunch of quotes in it	00:15:09
<arooni>	is there any other way of declaring a string other than s = "foo" \|\| s = 'foo' ?	00:16:02
<arooni>	one that auto escapes ""	00:16:06
<GarethAdams>	%q{here's a strinh "with quotes" in it}	00:17:13
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<arooni>	GarethAdams, perfect!!!	00:20:16
<arooni>	thanks	00:20:16
<GarethAdams>	and as with all % markers, you can use any delimiters oyou want	00:20:46
<GarethAdams>	%q/this is a string too/	00:21:10
<yonkeltron>	which %magic shortcut should i be using to turn a bunch of numbers into an array of numbers...%w(1 2 3) gives an array of strings	00:22:08
<arooni>	GarethAdams, cool, i didnt know that	00:22:34
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<GarethAdams>	yonkeltron: %w{1 2 3}.map{\|x\|x.to_i}	00:24:40
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<darix>	yonkeltron: uhm	00:26:16
<darix>	[1,2,3]	00:26:19
<darix>	i mean typing those "," isnt too hard right?	00:26:32
<LoganCapaldo>	there's no % numeric shorthand	00:26:49
<oGMo>	heh	00:27:16
<don-o>	lol	00:27:41
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<LoganCapaldo>	[1,2,3] is actually fewer chars than %w[1 2 3]	00:27:49
<yonkeltron>	yes it is	00:29:08
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<yonkeltron>	and Array.new is clearest of them all	00:29:16
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<yonkeltron>	GarethAdams: a question about gets...it seems to be waiting for an EOF before parsing the string	00:34:34
<GarethAdams>	yes, that's what gets does	00:34:48
<yonkeltron>	is there way to get the input on carriage return?	00:35:01
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*	yonkeltron is new to getting user input like that...	00:35:15
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<GarethAdams>	oh I see	00:36:12
<GarethAdams>	well gets seems to qork on carriage return for me	00:36:20
<GarethAdams>	*work	00:36:24
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<GarethAdams>	fire up IRB and "puts gets"	00:36:50
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<Dougy>	Love ruby? Free hosting! </spam>	00:41:15
<Dougy>	Hehe.	00:41:16
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<kith>	everyone seems to think ruby == ruby on rails	00:43:17
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<chino>	how do i catch any error ?	00:54:40
<jptix>	rescue Exception	00:55:09
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<jptix>	but think twice about why you're doing that :)	00:55:31
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<kmeyer>	jptix: cause you're too lazy to find the correct exception to catch :D	00:58:33
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<LoganCapaldo>	dangerously lazy	00:59:26
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<yonkeltron>	like haskell	01:00:45
<yonkeltron>	LoganCapaldo: haskell is dangerously lazy	01:00:54
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<don-o>	yonkeltron: that couldbe the next james bond subtitle: Dangerous.... and Lazy.	01:03:34
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<chino>	no because i want to print out any errors that i miss...	01:03:58
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<yonkeltron>	don-o: yeah...although it does make one wonder if ruby's GC is good enough to deal with eager evaluation	01:06:04
<teferi>	MRI's GC isn't particularly good, period	01:06:25
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<yonkeltron>	MRI?	01:06:42
<teferi>	matz's ruby implementation	01:06:58
<yonkeltron>	ah...which is the current 1.8 right?	01:07:20
<teferi>	yup	01:07:33
<teferi>	though yarv has the same GC	01:07:35
<yonkeltron>	yarv is 1.9?	01:08:05
<teferi>	yup	01:08:21
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<manveru>	yarv is the VM 1.9 runs on	01:08:36
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<yonkeltron>	i see...well, that's kind of upsetting	01:09:07
<yonkeltron>	so, apropos, where does rubinius fit into all this?	01:09:18
<manveru>	rubinius is ruby on a smalltalk VM	01:10:18
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<yonkeltron>	smalltalk!	01:11:33
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<yonkeltron>	i always thought of ruby as the lovechild resulting from a night of drunken passion between smalltalk and lisp...	01:12:13
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<teferi>	rubinius is a ruby compiler+vm implemented in the style of the Smalltalk 80 ("Blue Book") compiler+vm	01:12:26
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<manveru>	yonkeltron: they drank too much perl?	01:12:45
<yonkeltron>	right...	01:12:48
<yonkeltron>	manveru: only the regex stuff i guess	01:12:54
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<yonkeltron>	manveru: sigils of any type are barely present in ruby	01:13:07
<chino>	how would you test if a udp port is open ?	01:13:20
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<manveru>	yonkeltron: when did you do: ruby -e 'p global_variables' last time? :)	01:13:47
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<yonkeltron>	barely used	01:15:32
<yonkeltron>	not every variable needs to be prefixed by some shit or another	01:15:51
<yonkeltron>	hmmm.jruby looks rather promising	01:16:47
<yonkeltron>	maybe even superior to cruby....is that possible?	01:16:58
<teferi>	sure	01:17:02
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<teferi>	you get instant access to a whole bunch of existing java libraries	01:17:18
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<yonkeltron>	right...and you can compile ruby code to run on the jvm	01:17:57
<yonkeltron>	which is nice	01:17:59
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<yonkeltron>	i wonder if applets are less suck...	01:18:05
<yonkeltron>	although i am a little worried about the area of guis...	01:18:19
<vandemar>	I don't use openssl functionality, so can someone confirm that this patch to compile against openssl 0.9.9 doesn't break the openssl module? http://www.pastebin.ca/721165	01:19:07
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<analfabeta>	what this code do? proximo, topo = 1, topo+1 if proximo > topo	01:32:29
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<kmeyer>	analfabeta: if proximo > topo, then proximo = 1 and topo += 1	01:38:01
<analfabeta>	oh, tks	01:38:29
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<crashgrindrips>	help, please! questions at the bottom. http://rafb.net/p/GmdWKE22.html	01:59:20
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<slyphon>	dah	02:01:07
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<slyphon>	ri 'Kernel#open' ?	02:05:07
<slyphon>	hm	02:05:38
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<slyphon>	satyagrahi: seems like a bug to me	02:05:57
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<tpope>	it's probably mixing it up with the one from open-uri	02:06:57
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<seydar>	hey	02:39:08
<seydar>	has anyone used THERuSH ?	02:39:26
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<__kaiser__>	nevermind. :)	02:45:08
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<eumario>	I need some help with a regexp, /(\Wclass\s\|\Wdef\s\|\Wcase\s\|\Wif\s\|\Wmodule\s\|\Wdo\s\|\Wwhile\s\|\Wfor\s\|\Wbegin\s)/ is what I'm using, but it won't detect properly, if for example class starts at the begining of the line.	04:27:32
<eumario>	Any suggestions?	04:27:51
<manveru>	ouch	04:29:12
<manveru>	eumario: you don't know regular expressions?	04:29:54
<eumario>	manveru: Not much.	04:30:13
<eumario>	manveru: Enough to do simple stuff.	04:30:28
<manveru>	/[\W^](class\|def\|module)\s/	04:30:55
<manveru>	have fun parsing ruby... :P	04:32:19
<eumario>	manveru: Still the same problem. I'm not parsing ruby fully, just looking for keywords. I'm working on an Editor.	04:32:48
<teferi>	oh boy, another one!	04:32:57
<eumario>	Maybe one to put the rest to shame? ;-)	04:33:19
<teferi>	uh-huh.	04:34:29
<manveru>	exactly...	04:35:00
<manveru>	is it gonna be modal?	04:35:22
<teferi>	is it gonna be modeless?	04:35:31
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<eumario>	If your talking about FreeRIDE design, I'm not going that route.	04:35:51
<teferi>	huh?	04:36:04
<teferi>	no.	04:36:06
<teferi>	no one uses freeride	04:36:17
<eumario>	I found a way to get around the bug. I just modify the test string to have a buffer space infront.	04:36:43
<eumario>	What do you guys mean by modal/modeless?	04:37:22
<wbruce>	freeride. man, I haven't heard that in a long time.	04:37:33
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<manveru>	eumario: if you don't know, better don't start :)	04:38:38
<eumario>	manveru: Well, there can be many meanings to modal/modeless. And I don't know if I'm doing it or not. :P	04:39:12
<eumario>	Are you talking about MVC?	04:39:34
<manveru>	no	04:39:40
*	eumario has no clue then. :P	04:39:49
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<manveru>	again, if you don't know what modal means in connection with editors, don't bother writing one :)	04:39:57
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<eumario>	Does it have to do with the way the code is written, with the way the editor interface is, what have ya?	04:41:17
<squeegy>	which do you think?	04:41:47
<eumario>	Well, let's do this, I'll explain what I'm doing, and then you guys can tell me if it's Modal or not. :P	04:42:53
<eumario>	I'm writting a full blown IDE as I've known it in the past. Project Support, Editor, GUI Developer, full Intergrated Development Enviroment.	04:43:28
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<chino>	why does ri give me Nothing known about Arry#delete	04:43:48
<chino>	i think its hosed	04:43:52
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<manveru>	eumario: seriously, writing an editor is one of the hardest things you can do :)	04:47:38
<teferi>	eumario: well, that's pretty ambitious	04:48:40
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<teferi>	how much programming experience do you have/	04:48:52
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<chino>	hes been around a while	04:50:21
<chino>	both of you	04:50:25
<eumario>	I've got 5 years programming experince.	04:50:30
<chino>	anyone play with rbot ?	04:50:38
<chino>	im having a blast...	04:50:42
<eumario>	Programming with Basic, Euphoria, HTML, Some C/C++ and Ruby.	04:51:09
<eumario>	Oh and PHP	04:51:15
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<eumario>	PHP is cool.	04:51:38
<teferi>	if you're calling writing HTML "programming", you definitely have no business writing an editor	04:51:48
<chino>	oh you were talking to eumario... ithought you meant manveru	04:52:07
<eumario>	It is programming, when you do it without a WYSIWYG Editor.	04:52:07
<teferi>	not at all	04:52:20
<teferi>	html is markup that describes the structure of a document	04:52:29
<teferi>	it's typesetting and composing and layout, not programming	04:52:44
<perlmonk>	WYSIWYG editors are pure crap, they generate code you have to re-organise before using it...	04:53:00
<teferi>	that's not the issue	04:53:12
<eumario>	It is when you include JS, VBScript, and CSS	04:53:15
<chino>	yea i hate wysiwyg unles you never gonna touch it	04:53:25
<teferi>	CSS is assuredly not a programming language	04:53:26
<chino>	and its written well	04:53:34
<chino>	perlmonk: you wouldn't like something like glade ?	04:53:49
<eumario>	Well, whatever. You can see what my work is like when I get it up and going.	04:53:59
<teferi>	chino: there's only one libglade, and it's a strict xml parser	04:54:15
<perlmonk>	chino, Never used it... I don't directly deal with GTK	04:54:22
<teferi>	you can't compare wysywig gui design to wysywig html editors	04:54:26
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<perlmonk>	and I agree with teferi on this last statement	04:54:52
<chino>	idk it just seems nice to design a gui visually... and if there was any messups i mean the fact that it puts it into xml is pretty neat... sorta like xul	04:54:53
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<chino>	teferi: yea i was being more general	04:55:18
<perlmonk>	chino, Sure, nice, but then you have to re-organise the whole again....	04:55:22
<perlmonk>	I prefer to type my html/css myself	04:55:39
<chino>	perlmonk: yea idk.. i never tried it but i think it can handel it self fine...	04:55:47
<teferi>	so does everyone	04:55:48
<teferi>	sheesh	04:55:49
<chino>	perlmonk: im talking about glade	04:55:51
<chino>	yea i do my own html	04:55:57
<chino>	i never like any wysiwg ever....	04:56:09
<chino>	for html...	04:56:22
<perlmonk>	Ah, yes, it's nice.	04:56:27
<eumario>	And one thing I am not doing, is using Fox Toolkit.	04:57:17
<perlmonk>	eumario, Let's put it this way, no algorythm, it's not programming	04:57:32
<teferi>	this converation is rapidly becoming ridiculous	04:57:56
<eumario>	perlmonk: Then 90 percent of your GUI programming is not programming at all.	04:57:58
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<chino>	lmao	04:59:23
<perlmonk>	eumario, No, 100% of your GUI DESIGNING is not programming, you might have some stuff inside your logical part, like... puts "<option></option>" But I wouldn't call this "design" :)"	04:59:38
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<eumario>	perlmonk: What it comes down to, is that a program, is a program, cause you can execute it, and it displays something.	05:00:14
<teferi>	the hell with this	05:00:17
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<perlmonk>	eumario, Then the program is called a browser	05:00:39
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<perlmonk>	Now, where it becomes funny, is... javascript :) It's a programming language... aswell executing in the browser :D	05:01:45
<perlmonk>	Actually, not executing	05:02:00
<perlmonk>	interpreted	05:02:03
<perlmonk>	just like HTML... or CSS :P	05:02:11
<eumario>	Then there goes all interpreted languages, cause it's not a true program.	05:02:17
<perlmonk>	it is, because in JS, you have algos	05:02:33
<baaba>	a program processes data	05:02:36
<baaba>	there	05:02:38
<baaba>	now shut up	05:02:40
<eumario>	Thank you baaba	05:02:46
<perlmonk>	:D	05:02:52
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<perlmonk>	1am, bed time :)	05:03:17
<perlmonk>	Nite Nite everyone :)	05:03:26
<eumario>	Night	05:03:30
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<eumario>	manveru: Thanks for the help with the regexp, it does work, with some minor modifications to the test string.	05:03:58
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<jsoftw>	oh	05:07:18
<jsoftw>	doh	05:07:20
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<Pistos>	I think I've found a bug in Hpricot. With code that reproduces it 100% of the time.	05:53:44
*	Pistos prepares some pasties...	05:53:59
<Pistos>	http://pastie.caboo.se/102400	05:54:52
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<Pistos>	Hm, same thing.	05:56:18
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<leethal>	so, a neat little shellscript - http://pastie.caboo.se/102439	09:46:36
<leethal>	how would one go on no cleanly replace the values in that configuration file I'm scanning?	09:46:51
<leethal>	the $1 part of the match is the key in the SETTINGS constant, the $2 part of the match is the value	09:47:12
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<leethal>	if SETTINGS.keys.include?(key) then replace_the_line! end, so to speak	09:51:38
<leethal>	not sure how to replace the line, though	09:51:43
<leethal>	so, my _actual_ question is: how do you replace stuff in a file?	09:52:05
<H4z3>	You would have to read it all in to a new file	09:52:18
<H4z3>	and just next on the lines you don't want	09:52:39
<sepp2k_>	leethal: You read the file, change stuff, and write the file again.	09:52:47
<manveru>	hrm	09:52:56
<leethal>	so you do some kind of .write, not just .close?	09:53:03
<manveru>	leethal: and you'd do some things differently :)	09:53:05
<sepp2k_>	Btw: You really don't need to use $1 and $2 with scan.	09:53:06
<leethal>	heh, I guess I'd figure it out by looking it up in the api	09:53:16
<leethal>	sepp2k_: aw, is it yielded?	09:53:27
<sepp2k_>	leethal: Yes, scan yields an array containing the captures.	09:53:52
<leethal>	neat	09:54:10
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<sepp2k_>	So if instead of do \|match\| you write do \|key, value\| you can skip the key,value= line	09:54:43
<H4z3>	array = "<b>one</b><b>2</b>".scan("<b>(.+?)<.b>"); -> ["one", "two"]	09:55:03
<leethal>	ah	09:55:03
<leethal>	didn't know you could go \|key, value\| directly in the args	09:55:22
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<manveru>	you don't even need that...	09:56:35
<manveru>	but looks cleaner :)	09:56:55
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<sepp2k_>	H4z3: "<b>one</b><b>2</b>".scan(/<b>(.+?)<.b>/) #=> [["one"], ["2"]]	09:57:58
<H4z3>	sepp2k_: My bad, .flatten :P	09:58:18
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<H4z3>	I forgot i had 2 and not two	09:58:36
<H4z3>	Wow, forgetting things in seconds ftw	09:58:48
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<manveru>	leethal: http://pastie.caboo.se/102441	09:59:19
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<Zycon>	in irb how do you get the install dir of ruby?	10:00:53
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<manveru>	Zycon: Config::CONFIG	10:01:13
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<leethal>	neat	10:01:41
<Zycon>	Config::CONFIG -> uninitialized constant	10:01:49
<manveru>	Zycon: then you better get a new ruby	10:02:45
<Zycon>	hmmm	10:02:56
<manveru>	is that 1.6.2 or something? :P	10:03:07
<Zycon>	1.8.4.. so i don't know whats going on	10:03:17
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<H4z3>	Doesn't work for me either.	10:03:49
<manveru>	oh	10:04:28
<scoopr>	require 'rbconfig' ?	10:04:31
<leethal>	manveru: the only thingie, though, is that I need to replace lines, not add them	10:04:35
<leethal>	manveru: but I guess gsub and friends can help	10:04:49
<H4z3>	don't you need mkmf	10:04:50
<manveru>	leethal: then you know how to change it :)	10:04:51
<Zycon>	manveru: awesome, thankyou!	10:04:58